Nothing like seeing a live demo of what the FBI and IRS are up against.
Yesterday, our Intro to Accounting classes were treated to a presentation about forensic accounting by one of our fellow teachers.
Professor Steve Liedtka, who I featured in a previous blog post (see the second video below), gave a wonderful presentation on the topic. He made it quite relevant for the students by first noting that there are several Villanova alumni working in this field. In fact, one of our former students played a key role in presenting evidence against Bernie Madoff.
He then spoke of the opportunity he recently had to take three students to have dinner with Frank Abagnale, of Catch Me If You Can fame. Steve pointed out how incredibly charming Frank was, suggesting that was part of what enabled him to pull off so many of his frauds. Frank now does consulting work with the FBI. Once again, Steve made this relevant to the students by telling them that the most recruited major by the FBI is accounting, because of the prevalence of white-collar crime.
For the final part of his talk, Steve discussed the world of illegal gambling. He noted how many times what brings illegal gambling rings down is not the gambling per see, but tax evasion.
Steve told of how these illegal gambling rings need to keep paper records, but have come up with clever ways to destroy such evidence quickly if they are raided by the police or the IRS.
One way is to have special paper that the gambling slips are kept on, and when these slips are dumped in water, they dissolve immediately, like Alka Seltzer.
Another approach is to have paper, that when set on fire, just disappears completely. Steve gave an amazing demo of this:
Not your typical accounting class.
It probably comes as no surprise that Steve is one of the best professors not only in our Accounting Department but at Villanova. Steve gave that presentation six times yesterday, and for one of them, I had to immediately follow the fire demonstration with a review of accounting journal entries.
Talk about a tough act to follow.
For those of you with a good memory, you may recall I briefly featured Steve on a blog post before, playing the guitar.
A man of many talents for sure…
*image from Casino.org
Are you running a school of Accounting or a school of crime? That really was cool, to watch that gambling slip disappear in a fiery ball. I think if I was gambling and losing, I’d place an anonymous tip with the cops. Then when they raid the place the gambling slips would be burned, and I wouldn’t owe a thing to the mobsters. Could save on a few broken kneecaps.
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to catch a bad guy, you’ve got to think like a bad guy…
most likely a guy that’s placing bets at a place that gets raided would probably find another place to place his bets, and he’d be in debt soon enough…
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Good point. Gambling is an addiction I wouldn’t want to take any chances having.
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same here. my only gambliing is the occasional Powerball ticket when it get over $500 million…
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Same here, but only when my odds are at least even.
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I don’t think that’s called gambling. that’s investing… 🙂
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But investing is always a gamble.
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hopefully better than 50-50 odds of making money, at least in the long-term…
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Usually it is.
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fingers crossed…
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You’ve piqued my interests on the benefits of a life of crime, accounting not so much.
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Since the goal of the lecture was to pique student interest, I guess he succeeded…
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😀 That’s probably not the takeaway you’re supposed to have.
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I was afraid of that.
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hopefully we can find the students who had the same takeaway and show them the error of their ways. 🙂
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Error? Am I missing something?
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no,not at all. the world needs people who are attracted to the dark side; otherwise the good guys would have no jobs… 🙂
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Good. I feel better now.
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🙂
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there’s always one who gets the wrong message 🙂
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That is a tough act to follow. Forensic accounting has been featured in a couple of recent movies — Central Intelligence with the Rock and Kevin Hart and The Accountant with Ben Affleck. Who knew accounting was so exciting.
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and the best part of The Accountant was Anna Kendrick 🙂 once I saw her in Pitch Perfect, I became a big fan…
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Powerful performances from a tiny (I think) actress.
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she is quite tiny, but quite talented…
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A friend of a friend, using real estate scams to steal money, was taken down by a charge of mail fraud.
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always nice when the bad guys get caught…
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He was, like the Catch Me guy, very charming. And handsome. It was hard to process what he’d done – esp the part where he was recorded in his office singing songs about stealing people’s money.
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I guess these guys just think they are smarter than everyone else and will never get caught…
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I currently have no interest in accounting but feel like I would have really enjoyed that presentation. And just to reassure you, I have no interest in committing crimes either even though there was some handy info included.
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It was a fun presentation. And it’s helpful for the good guys to know what the bad guys are up to
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It would make more sense for the illegal gambling dens to pay tax! As long as your laws haven’t changed and you can’t be prosecuted for what you declare on your tax forms.
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yes it does; one less thing they can be convicted on. but then they are publicly admitting they are a gambling den. I’m not sure what’s worse…
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Now that is an Accounting class I could find interesting. LOL! I am impressed. 🙂
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it was quite fascinating. puts accounting in a different light…
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Profs and lecturers with that type of skill and understanding are worth their weight in gold but extremely rare. I was luck to have profs like that during my chemistry university years especially a prof Sykes who taught kinetics of chemical reactions. I once saw him demonstrate how some chemical reactions can be made to “oscillate” where A+B would create C which was a different colour liquid, but then after about 5secs C would revert back to A+B and it’s original colour in what appeared to be a flash of light. If that wasn’t crazy enough A+B would then change colour and return to C …… I haven’t explained that too well but I think you get the picture. To a group of PhD students this was a complete mystery at the time, almost an optical illusion. We had many others, these guys in the 60s and 70s were quite brilliant!
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I agree; teachers like this can spark a student’s interest in a subject that perhaps they didn’t know they had.
I don’t quite understand what is going on with your example, but it sounds like it would have been fascinating to see the colors changing back and forth…
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Rule #1 Get your audience’s attention. I suspect I would have enjoyed his presentation very much. It sounds like there should be a talent show for Villanova accounting professors. You’d better work on your juggling act, Jim.
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he certainly captured the students’ attention, and then I quickly lost it going over debits and credits 🙂
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This makes accounting look cooler than it actually is.
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i’d like to book the two of you in for a visit to my pre-k class. steve could do his performance artist bit and do a money volcano thing, and get everyone revved up, and then you come in to get everyone calmed down again with a quiet counting to10 and putting the numbers in sequential order act. both parts of the show are so important.
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my part would be a great lead-in to nap time…
Perhaps I could at least dress as The Count? 🙂
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Perfect!!
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🧛🏿♂️
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Yes, yes! Me, too!!
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Don’t sell yourself short, my friend. I will take juggling over a bit of flash paper any day!
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good to know at least one person thinks that way 🙂
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Well, Jim, you may have had to follow a great fire act with what seemed like boring accounting entries, but you and I both know that forensic accounting is the most boring job in the whole world, worse that racing snails, and that journals can be deeply interesting. Just think about IFRS 2 accounting for the unraveling of an old share scheme and the implementation of a new one – so juicy!
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well said, Robbie. The devil is in the details with forensic accounting. the day to day work could be quite monotonous, but the payoff could be big.
I don’t know much about IFRS 2, but anything involving compensation has got to be juicy!
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That is so cool! Like Beth, I want you both to be guests in my classroom. This is math and science at its best, a real STEM moment.
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maybe it’s a way to make accounting attractive to pre-k students 🙂
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Beth and I would love that plan!
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🙂
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I love it when college prepares you for life afdter school with hands-on tips and trick of the trade. I need to have a word with my accountant.
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a good accountant can save you some money!
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What an interesting way to catch the attention of the accounting students. I don’t know whose job is easier, FBI or IRS? I didn’t know that Frank Abagnale is still working.
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that’s a tough question – I don’t know either. And I think Frank is still working, probably whenever he feels like it…
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Yes, 74 years old these days are still going!
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I just read his bio on Wikipedia – it’s hard to tell when he’s lying and when he’s not.. it seems like most of his lie has been a lie…
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Wow, master of lies. The movie is more than accurate.
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apparently!
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What a cool magic trick! Where can I get such paper?
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apparently you can get it through the mail from a magic shop. it’s called flash paper and it’s shipped in liquid since it is so flammable…
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Ooohh cool demo! I can certainly think of other uses for that tool! Hmmm like quickly downing a chocolate treat without my husband and then getting rid of the evidence wrapper! LOL Also, never knew forensic accounting was a thing and a sought-after skill within the FBI structure! Cool!
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Oh wait, it’s the paper not the fire that’s the trick LOL ah man.. back to hiding snacks and eating them quickly behind a closed door LOL
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it seems like your plan would work; you just need to find a place to hide the candy before you eat it. once you eat, then you can use the special paper to destroy the evidence 🙂
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you’ve just come up with another use for that paper! hard to think of an accountant carrying a gun – but they are out there!
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One word – Turmp!
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Oops – the one word should be Trump!
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with all my time spent playing wordle, that’s what I figured 🙂
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