I’ve briefly mentioned Godwin’s Law before, an Internet adage which asserts that “as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler becomes more likely. (Wikipedia)
I was thinking about that today as I was reading a few stories in the Wall Street Journal. After reading the articels I would then start reading the comments, and I had a sense this was going to happen from past experience. At some point, and usually fairly quickly someone makes a political statement that seems to have little to do with the article.
It could be someone bringing up the COVID lockdowns, a reference to WOKE or BLM, getting in a jab at Trump or Biden, climate change.
When such a comment is made, you can be sure someone is going to respond to it, and then the discussion goes off on a tangent, with little of that discussion having to do with the original article.
So I decided to give this phenomenon a name.
Not having the hubris of Mike Godwin, I couldn’t name it after myself, so I used the first two letters of the Wall Street Journal; hence, WASTJO’s Law,
From what I have briefly examined, it usually takes less than 10 comments until WASTJO’s Law kicks in.
I know it’s not just limited to the Wall Street Journal, but it is one of the sites I am most familiar with, and one where I have noticed this phenomenon for years.
I also didn’t do much research to see if someone has already picked up on this phenomenon and given it a name.
If not, who knows. Someday there may be a Wikipedia entry for WASTJO’s law…
Well if it is listed in Wikipedia someday then I hope you get proper credit for it. 🙂
I see your point and admit that its true but I can honestly say that doesn’t happen on my comment thread. LOL! Oh it may go off on a tangent but not onto one of the subjects that you mentioned.
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that’s what makes the comments on your blog fun to read!
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😊
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I just read Clive’s comment about blog comments having more sanity to them.
I couldn’t help but laugh at that while thinking of my blog! 😂
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maybe civility is the proper word…
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That would work. 🙂
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I knew there was a reason I avoid reading comments on news stories.
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smart move…
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Springer’s Law—The principle that for nearly every media post of my length, a troll shall intervene for the sole purpose of starting an agreement. One classic is when a biased news source (from either side of the aisle) asks a leading question in a survey and then tries to use its results to support some argument.
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I like your law, so much easier to understand. You have to love how you can use stats to support whatever position you want…
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97.4% of WordPress users recommend Borden for their daily dose of blather.
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and the other 2.6% are the ones who actually read my blog 🙂
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We have that phenomenon here. It’s why I never read comments on news sites, or belong to Facebook groups. In South Africa news articles about Covid may not have the comments section available.
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I guess it’s a global phenomenon; I like not being able to comment on hot button topics…
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This does seem to be an inevitable chain of events when the subject abruptly turns political. To me, these threads always smack of a desperate desire to be seen as right. And though I appreciate your overtly humble nature, may I suggest another name for the phenomenon, the “Q Quotient”. Great post Jim!
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thanks, Brad. and yes, I am sure a big part of this is people just wanting to show they are right, or smarter than everyone else. I’m worried about that name; I might misspell it every once in a while 🙂
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I love your nickname for it, and it is so disappointing but never surprising anymore when this happens.(it kind of rivals the jlo and arod nicknames.) I once wrote a post about mr. rogers’ sweaters, (how his mom had made them and he wore them in an homage to her), when someone started arguing that he wore them because he had been in the military and killed people and used them to cover up his military tattoos, and secret past, etc.- a crazy unfounded rumor about his war experience and aftermath), and I replied, ‘I was truly just trying to write about how sweet it was that he wore these for his mom and that she had made them, nothing deeper or more sinister.)
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How could anyone criticize Mr. Rogers?! When the movie about him came out, I went out and bought two cardigan sweaters, because I wanted to be just like him. I still wear them a few times a week,,,
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There is always someone
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seems that way…
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Who knew Mr. Rogers was such a sinister and controversial figure? 😎
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Right-and with his sweaters acting as a literal coverup)
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that’s why I got mine… 🙂
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I won’t tell
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one of my all-time favorite people. I think if I could be most like one other person, I think it would be Mr. Rogers…
tattoos and all 🙂
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This WASTJO’s Law reminds me of all the lamestream media bias that pervades our news these days, always trying to influence our political thinking. In fact, though your law based on the Wall Street Journal, it reminds me of a different wall. Joseph Goebbels used to say that if you throw enough mud on a wall, some of it will stick. The Nazis that run our media these days would make both Goebbels and Hitler proud. Or maybe Joe Biden, who reminds me quite a bit of that toothbrush moustachioed dictator.
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Maybe we should paint our walls mud colored so we don’t see it.
And it looks like Godwin’s law went into effect here 🙂
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Darnit, you’re right. It’s so hard to avoid Godwin’s Law.
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Some of the comments rather prove your point for you. Blog comments generally contain more sanity and less bias than public news sites, though. Thankfully!
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yes, blog comments tend to be a bit more civil and friendly, perhaps because there is more of a sense of knowing each other…
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That’s probably why. Also the fact that most commenters wouldn’t use someone else’s blog as the place to go on an off-topic political rant. Anyway, if they did you could always delete their comment…
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I am sure it would be a small minority who would try to share their political opinion in the comments. and it is nice having the ability to delete comments!
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One started down that path here but fortunately didn’t take it any further. Yes, we have more control over our comments sections than a newspaper does, and I’m glad of our ability to censor if necessary. I’ve never felt the need, but it is always there as a last resort.
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I don’t think I’ve censored anyone yet either, but like you said, it’s nice having that option…
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I’ve observed the same thing regarding comments and probably contributed to it as well. Many articles and stories are intended to provoke Borden’s law. A travel blog I follow often reports stories that can be construed as political. Invariably in the comments one or two people object to the content of the post and say they read the blog solely for travel-related content which seems strange.
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I do have to admit that sometimes I enjoy some of the politically charged comments, because the writer is sometimes quite clever and I find myself laughing. I’ve often found myself understanding a little bit better alternative points of view when someone offers a more toned down comment. Unfortunately, those types of comments are few and far between.
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I agree. It is the nasty, personal political comments rather than the points over which reasonable people may differ that tend to dominate discussions and serve no useful purpose.
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well said, John…
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Yip, I have noticed this too, Jim. A great post.
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thanks, Robbie!
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Sadly, this phenomenon can also produce harsh comments along the way. I don’t mind when comments take a different tangent, but let’s remain civil. Sorry Jim, I am a bit fired up with some social media posts about college basketball . . . shared by my wife.
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Yes, the comments can be entertaining and informative. But there is no need for them to turn nasty, which they usually do.
I’m sorry about the Ohio State loss – I had them going pretty far in my pool…
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Should I bring up climate change now, or do I need to wait for a few more comments?
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You can bring it up now, no one reads my comments anyway… 🙂
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I sometimes use a news site called newser. All they do is distill articles from other media into easily swallowable bites. The reason I like it is it stays in chronological order (like blog posts). You can always click on the site and determine if something big happened in the last hour or so. Because of the simplicity of the articles, it attracts a fairly low quality of readers. Your WASTJO law is accelerated by five times but it’s all pro and anti Trump. It usually takes two comments to get that ball rolling and then there’s no reason to read the comments, because you can read all the same comments on any other story. It really drives me nuts.
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thanks for the tip; it sounds like a fun site to check out to just get a sense of what is going on in the world. And it is amazing how Trump can still dominate the media…
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